Who got raped on the Kessel deal?

Wild Fan #1 wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

Not a whole lot they could do....they were up against the cap. They are still a very talented team and should still be battling for the top position in the Eastern conference when it's all said and done. Basically, this is the best deal they could've gotten under the circumstances. And I'll repeat what I said before; I'm not convinced that Kessel is as good as the numbers from last season indicate.

No, there where was a lot they could have done. In fact, this loss was self-inflicted. This is exactly why I thought the Ryder signing last year was foolish. This year there was going to be major cap issues. And sure enough there was. Who would you rather have - Ryder at 4 million or Kessel at 5.4? Chiarelli made his own bed, and even armchair GMs could see the fire underneath it.

Yup, there was a ton they could have done, i'm not sure how popular the Morris signing was but my priority would have been to keep a young scorer, even if he benefited from having good centers those centers are still on your team, i agree the window is now, you don't lose a guy like this. Funny thing is next year Wheeler and Savard are up and need new contracts, going to be less attractive for Savard, you could even see him landing in Toronto.

Wild Fan #1 wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

Not a whole lot they could do....they were up against the cap. They are still a very talented team and should still be battling for the top position in the Eastern conference when it's all said and done. Basically, this is the best deal they could've gotten under the circumstances. And I'll repeat what I said before; I'm not convinced that Kessel is as good as the numbers from last season indicate.

No, there where was a lot they could have done. In fact, this loss was self-inflicted. This is exactly why I thought the Ryder signing last year was foolish. This year there was going to be major cap issues. And sure enough there was. Who would you rather have - Ryder at 4 million or Kessel at 5.4? Chiarelli made his own bed, and even armchair GMs could see the fire underneath it.

Isn't is possible that the Bruins thought Kessel's numbers were a mirage, as I do? They never seemed overly concerned about getting him re-signed (note the quick signing of Krejci this summer?) If they REALLY wanted to get Kessel into the fold, don't you think they would've held off on signing Krejci? And there wasn't much floating around the rumor mill about them trying to move any players to make room for Kessel. I'm not sayin', I just sayin'....

MuckandGrind wrote:

Wild Fan #1 wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

Not a whole lot they could do....they were up against the cap. They are still a very talented team and should still be battling for the top position in the Eastern conference when it's all said and done. Basically, this is the best deal they could've gotten under the circumstances. And I'll repeat what I said before; I'm not convinced that Kessel is as good as the numbers from last season indicate.

No, there where was a lot they could have done. In fact, this loss was self-inflicted. This is exactly why I thought the Ryder signing last year was foolish. This year there was going to be major cap issues. And sure enough there was. Who would you rather have - Ryder at 4 million or Kessel at 5.4? Chiarelli made his own bed, and even armchair GMs could see the fire underneath it.

Isn't is possible that the Bruins thought Kessel's numbers were a mirage, as I do? They never seemed overly concerned about getting him re-signed (note the quick signing of Krejci this summer?) If they REALLY wanted to get Kessel into the fold, don't you think they would've held off on signing Krejci? And there wasn't much floating around the rumor mill about them trying to move any players to make room for Kessel. I'm not sayin', I just sayin'....

I don't think so, TSN was saying how Kessel and Boudrou had some issues seeing eye to eye, and maybe they felt the price was steep for him, he did have cancer and has mono which can keep him out of games. they may have also though that he'd sign for less. I don't think Kessel is a mirage, not many 21 year olds can put up those numbers no matter who plays with em, you can't teach scoring.

damn, burke has a major boner for kessel though, you could see this happening a mile away it seemed. i like how some GMs actively go for american players. CF seems to be about it too with siefers and irmen getting a real good look.

woops dbl

timotheuzi wrote:

damn, burke has a major boner for kessel though, you could see this happening a mile away it seemed. i like how some GMs actively go for american players. CF seems to be about it too with siefers and irmen getting a real good look.

I think Sifers is getting a look because he looks better than Scott, not because he was born in Connecticut....Irmen is only still here due to all the injuries, IMO....once everyone has healed up, I think he'll be sent back down.

MuckandGrind wrote:

timotheuzi wrote:

damn, burke has a major boner for kessel though, you could see this happening a mile away it seemed. i like how some GMs actively go for american players. CF seems to be about it too with siefers and irmen getting a real good look.

I think Sifers is getting a look because he looks better than Scott, not because he was born in Connecticut....Irmen is only still here due to all the injuries, IMO....once everyone has healed up, I think he'll be sent back down.

It doesn't take much to look better than Scott.

TaLoN wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

timotheuzi wrote:

damn, burke has a major boner for kessel though, you could see this happening a mile away it seemed. i like how some GMs actively go for american players. CF seems to be about it too with siefers and irmen getting a real good look.

I think Sifers is getting a look because he looks better than Scott, not because he was born in Connecticut....Irmen is only still here due to all the injuries, IMO....once everyone has healed up, I think he'll be sent back down.

It doesn't take much to look better than Scott.

And yet... someone offered him a contract, which of course he was all too eager to sign.

Velmeran wrote:

TaLoN wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

timotheuzi wrote:

damn, burke has a major boner for kessel though, you could see this happening a mile away it seemed. i like how some GMs actively go for american players. CF seems to be about it too with siefers and irmen getting a real good look.

I think Sifers is getting a look because he looks better than Scott, not because he was born in Connecticut....Irmen is only still here due to all the injuries, IMO....once everyone has healed up, I think he'll be sent back down.

It doesn't take much to look better than Scott.

And yet... someone offered him a contract, which of course he was all too eager to sign.

But what's even worse... that contract was a one-way deal!? What was Lynn thinking?!!? :confused3:

TaLoN wrote:

Velmeran wrote:

TaLoN wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

timotheuzi wrote:

damn, burke has a major boner for kessel though, you could see this happening a mile away it seemed. i like how some GMs actively go for american players. CF seems to be about it too with siefers and irmen getting a real good look.

I think Sifers is getting a look because he looks better than Scott, not because he was born in Connecticut....Irmen is only still here due to all the injuries, IMO....once everyone has healed up, I think he'll be sent back down.

It doesn't take much to look better than Scott.

And yet... someone offered him a contract, which of course he was all too eager to sign.

But what's even worse... that contract was a one-way deal!? What was Lynn thinking?!!? :confused3:

I wanna keep my job, I better sign us another dman for 'cheap'! ?

Velmeran wrote:

I wanna keep my job, I better sign us another dman for 'cheap'! ?

Yeah, the new guy in charge will be so thankful I did that, it will make his job so much earlier not having to worry about finding a physical D-man! I'll likely get a contract extension for my knowledge of player talent to go with my lowball negotiating abilities!

TaLoN wrote:

Velmeran wrote:

I wanna keep my job, I better sign us another dman for 'cheap'! ?

Yeah, the new guy in charge will be so thankful I did that, it will make his job so much earlier not having to worry about finding a physical D-man! I'll likely get a contract extension for my knowledge of player talent to go with my lowball negotiating abilities!

See, it's easy to see why Lynn thought he was making a sound move.

Velmeran wrote:

See, it's easy to see why Lynn thought he was making a sound move.

Yeah, it's even easier to see why he was fired!

I am not the least bit surpirsed that Kessel got two 1st and a 2nd. Boston obviously wasn't going to pull another Thornton deal - it appeared obvious to me that they were holding there cards tight and weren't going to panic. IMo people also way overestimate the value of a 1st, especially a mid/later 1st if Toronto turns it around, and I'm liking the look of Tor more and more all the time. Burke might be a fat-ass windbag, but IMO he's proven he can do an excllent job building a team.

1st rounders are a gamble. Kessel is a bird in the hand. One bird in the hand Kessel or three draft picks in the bush? I think the trade makes good sense for both teams. And big props to Boston for holding out until they got a good deal!

I like the deal for both sides.

Boston gets three very high draft picks and should be very good long term.

Toronto gets a young and very skilled player to compliment their gritty lineup. A bit of a big payment, but I still like it.

Gotta give Burke some credit....he's got some guts and he went all in on this deal. If it works, he looks like a genius...if it doesn't, he'll have an awful mess on his hands.

MuckandGrind wrote:

Gotta give Burke some credit....he's got some guts and he went all in on this deal. If it works, he looks like a genius...if it doesn't, he'll have an awful mess on his hands.

He can just blame the previous GM(s) for leaving him a bare cupboard.

Velmeran wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

Gotta give Burke some credit....he's got some guts and he went all in on this deal. If it works, he looks like a genius...if it doesn't, he'll have an awful mess on his hands.

He can just blame the previous GM(s) for leaving him a bare cupboard.

and this: will have Swenny here in no time.

shmiddy wrote:

Velmeran wrote:

MuckandGrind wrote:

Gotta give Burke some credit....he's got some guts and he went all in on this deal. If it works, he looks like a genius...if it doesn't, he'll have an awful mess on his hands.

He can just blame the previous GM(s) for leaving him a bare cupboard.

and this: will have Swenny here in no time.

It's like a custom emoticon just for Swenny.

It's like his very own Swenny-Signal.

Now lets just hope Commissioner Gordan (Ninja) does take an axe to it

Saw this article linked on the WMB, no idea on how trustworthly / newsworthy the site is but figured it was worth discussion here, and it may lead to a new look at the Kessel deal.

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Kovalchuk in the sight of Chiarelli?
Some rumors from Boston say that Peter Chiarelli will do everything in his power to get Ilya Kovalchuk.

Indeed, the Bruins general manager has acquired two first-round pick and a second-round pick in the deal sending Phil Kessel to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

If the Atlanta Thrashers can not agree with their star player this season, they might be tempted to deal with the Bruins in order not to lose Kovalchuk for anything. (le Russe sera joueur autonome sans compensation dès le 1er juillet). (Russian will be an unrestricted free agent as of July 1).

Rumors say that Chiarelli ammunition to win over the Thrashers general manager Don Waddell. Avec plusieurs choix au repêchage alléchants et de nombreux jeunes joueurs talentueux, les Thrashers pourraient être tentés de transiger. With several draft picks attractive and many young talented players, the Thrashers might be tempted to compromise.

False rumor or reality?
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Velmeran wrote:

Saw this article linked on the WMB, no idea on how trustworthly / newsworthy the site is but figured it was worth discussion here, and it may lead to a new look at the Kessel deal.

Quote :

Kovalchuk in the sight of Chiarelli?
Some rumors from Boston say that Peter Chiarelli will do everything in his power to get Ilya Kovalchuk.

Indeed, the Bruins general manager has acquired two first-round pick and a second-round pick in the deal sending Phil Kessel to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

If the Atlanta Thrashers can not agree with their star player this season, they might be tempted to deal with the Bruins in order not to lose Kovalchuk for anything. (le Russe sera joueur autonome sans compensation dès le 1er juillet). (Russian will be an unrestricted free agent as of July 1).

Rumors say that Chiarelli ammunition to win over the Thrashers general manager Don Waddell. Avec plusieurs choix au repêchage alléchants et de nombreux jeunes joueurs talentueux, les Thrashers pourraient être tentés de transiger. With several draft picks attractive and many young talented players, the Thrashers might be tempted to compromise.

False rumor or reality?
*** Translated by Google Translate

Very, very, VERY interesting......Like I said before, I really like how the Bruins made out on this deal with Toronto, and if they manage to send those picks to Atlanta to get Kovalchuk....watch out!!!!

wow!!! that would be massive for Boston.

I'll believe it when I see it... How many times did we hear about Heatley going one place, and then another?

TaLoN wrote:

I'll believe it when I see it... How many times did we hear about Heatley going one place, and then another?

Big difference. Heatley was under contract with a NTC attached. Kovalchuk is a pending UFA next summer...now I don't consider Don Waddell to be the brightest GM out there, but I have to think that he is a heckuva lot smarter than our former GM and if he can't get Ilya signed to an extension soon, at some point he'll come to realization that he can't just sit back and let his best player leave without getting anything in return. Right now, Boston has the assets most teams covet, multiple first and second round draft picks PLUS quality players on their roster and in their system they could package...At first glance, they seem to be in the best position to put together a package that would get Waddel's attention should he not get Kovaluchuk extended.

Well, again, how many times was Kovi rumored to be traded LAST season even? I'm not saying he won't be traded, but I am not going to jump at each rumor out there is all.

Hey, I may be proven wrong, but I'm just getting sceptical when it comes to Kovi trade rumors.